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Ji Sama
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Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:05:00 -
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Tash-Murkon Prime Industries IPO Plan
º1 Summary
º2 Background
º3 Governance
º4 Business Plan
.a Marketing Plan
.b Innovation Plan
.c Research & Development Plan
.d Investment Plan
º5 Net Asset Value
º6 Risks
º7 Mains & Alts
º8 Break Even Analysis
º9 Initial Public Offering
º10 Frequently Asked Questions
Summary
TMP Industries are primarily an investment and trading corporation.
On the side the corporation is involved in mining, logistics, research and development.
We also have the capability to start production of rigs, modules, battleships and cruiser-class ships of tier 1 and 2.
Our current monthly revenue is around 30 Billion and our estimated NAV is around 50 Billion.
The corporation currently employs around 10 people of a total of 20+ accounts.
Background
I started up TMP Industries 6 months ago with some real life friends of mine, we wanted an industrial corporation where we could sit back and donÆt think about trust issues and generally just make a nice profit so we can hoard assets.
You see that is what we like to do in TMP Industries; we like to look at market screens and graphs.
Buy low, sell high, stockpile when market is saturated. Manipulate and control the flow of goods and wares. (First thing I taught them was to make a Jita and Rens alt. (we operated out of Dodixie at the time, and Rens being our former primary now secondary hub.))
About 2 months ago, we decided that it was time to open up the corporation to outsiders.
Since then the corporation has been majorly exposed and interest was so high, that in order to keep the integrity and soul of the corporation we had to close recruitment within a week.
Since then we have operated TMP Industries on a new level. We currently employ 3 primary and 2 secondary key-account managers that operate the market on behalf of the corporation, getting all the benefits that a large corporation stockpile and wallet brings. We also have 5+ Miners and 4+ Freighter Haulers (in the making eta 7, 14, 14, 30 days) and the OrcaÆs and the last freighters have been paid and are currently being build. We set up a Large Death Star POS that is currently mostly offline in regards to defence/offence instead its running ME and PE research on some t1 rigs BPOÆs
We also have our hands on a lot of behind the curtain deals and investments.
And currently have more than 10 Billion invested in the secondary market in the form of bonds.
The corporation has now matured to a level which allows for the launch of an IPO to increase the return on all of our current niches, markets and investments.
Governance
Currently the corporation is being run by Ji Sama as Creative Director. Her role in the corporation is that of the squid while still holding the corporation steady on its course.
She has full control of the key accounts in the corporation.
Currently there is one other director role-holder in the corporation, and that is Scorpious Kross.
The corporation operates out of 5 accounts totalling 18 wallets.
These accounts are:
Antiquarian (marketing alt 8 wallets)
Ji Sama (main 8 wallets)
TMP Primary (bank alt 1 wallet)
Main Account (bank alt 1 wallet)
Of these 18 wallets currently 5 are exposed to other corporation employees.
Corporation primary wallet: Ji Sama, Avendale Armarrious, Avendale and Scorpious Kross
Primary wallet 1: Maxwell Terallis
Primary wallet 2: Dess Epin
Secondary wallet: Emrr
Representations wallet: All permanent employees
Total in liabilities: 10B+
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:07:00 -
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Business Plan
.a
Our marketing plan is based on more than 1 year of market research and analysis.
We buy low, sell high. Stockpile on assets that doesnÆt loose value and in addition if possible have a chance to increase in value. (We do multi-region trading, thatÆs a lot of work, and sometimes its dangerous, but giving margins in the 100-1000%+ range)
What exactly our niches are and what exactly we trade in cant be disclosed.
But in general terms, we trade in ore, minerals, salvage, alloys, ice, gas, ships and modules.
Of the total invested capital we plan to use the majority of the capital in this sector. (The majority being more than 50% i.e. 12B+)
.b
Our innovation long term plan is to expand the corporation into many branches; these branches are focused on meta-gaming. And since they are more like an overall vision for the corporation based on. We also plan to become a large scale investor in the secondary market, and are looking into the possibility that corporations that share this core idea can form a thought of hedge fund.
In a short down to earth phrase; we are looking to expand our current portfolio as well as broaden this portfolio! (Around 10-15%% of the total investment will be allocated into reinvestment and meta-gaming venues. Like EMMA, GMBA and the SCC-Lounge etc.)
.c
We are currently running R&D on some rig BPOÆs we plan to expand this operation with around 10-15%+ of the total investment.
We want to start a production run, so we can actually see if this is a place we would want to expand further.
The funds allocated to this R&D plan will be used to launch this demo.
.d
Our investment plan is easy to understand. We simply invest in the secondary market and the revenue that get us is an extra profit to the corp.
Currently we have only touched the bond market, but we will with this investment try to move some of this over into the IPO market.
Investments that are deemed low risk will only be made on behalf of the corp.
Net Asset Value
The estimated net worth of all liabilities, solid & liquid assets are:
POS currently set up for R&D 5B ISK
Tier 1 fleet 2.14B
Tier 2 fleet 1.01B
Faction fleet 2.58B
Tier 1, Meta 3-4, Tier 2 and faction modules 4.19B
Misc. solid assets; minerals, salvage, ice and trade goods etc. 3B+
Blueprint copies and originals 2B+
Market sell-order 8B+
Market buy-order 2B+
Contracts 2B+
Liquid Capital 1.5B
Investments 13.6B
Ordered assets under construction 3.6B
Estimated total: 51.5 Billion ISK
Risks
The largest risk of failure involves fraud or scam.
And since the largest liquid and solid asset worth is placed under the control of Ji Sama and her alts.
The biggest loss would be if I scammed.
To help relieve doubt any investor would have about this.
I am disclosing full RL identity and Internet History.
Facebook Profile
The biggest guarantee I personally can give you is that I am not a scammer and I never will be a scammer. I have never scammed in a MMO, the closest thing I get to something remotely close to this, is when I played UO and I was pickpocket burglar, luring players out of the city so I could rob them etc.. And thatÆs a long time ago.
Ji Sama is an integrated part of me, and therefore this is one thing that I am absolutely sure about.
Also I have already invested over 30 Billion ISK in the secondary market.
Biggest RL risk is me getting hit by a bus, in such case the SCC- Lounge will have access to my account data through my wife. And can liquidate all assets and distribute it to the investors, friends and my corp. mates!
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:09:00 -
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Mains & Alts
My main is Ji Sama. She is a year old character, and I encourage you to do your own research on my posts within the forum and my corporate history. In fact, do this before you buy any shares at all. It's a good habit to get into if you're a first time investor.
Ji Sama (Jack of all trades)
Antiquarian (Marketing Alt)
Childeric III (Marketing Alt)
Abdul Razzaq (Industrial Science Hauler Miner)
CSO (Recon Alt)
SamaÆs Minion (Recon Alt)
Tzu Sama (Recon Alt)
S717 (Recon Alt)
Chotrud (Industrial Miner Science)
TMP Industries (Security Alt)
TMP Curator (Marketing Alt)
Main Account (Bank Alt)
TMP Paladin (Security Alt)
TMP Primary (Bank Alt)
Avendale (Marketing Alt)
Avendale Amarrious (Marketing Alt)
TGAOTU (Recon and Security Alt)
Break Even Analysis
This is quite simple, if for some reason I donÆt want to or arenÆt able to continue, assets will be liquidated, bonds and investments collected to repay investors at 95% buyback.
Initial Public Offering
Total number of shares: 100.000
Shares allocated for IPO
ASTOCK 9000
BSTOCK 40000
Price per share 500.000 ISK
Estimated total worth 24.5 Billion ISK
Dividend is paid monthly.
Return on investment will be 33% of the profit estimated at a 7% return per month i.e. 35.000 ISK per share per month.
This offering will consist of 4 phases.
First phase: announcement
Second phase: ASTOCK shares will be sold to Friends, Fools and Family
Third phase: BSTOCK shares will be sold to the public
Fourth phase: TMP Industries offers buy back at 95%
ASTOCK reservations status: Inactive
BSTOCK reservations status: Inactive
Corporation buyback status: Inactive
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:18:00 -
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Frequently Asked Questions
How do I know this isnÆt a scam?
You donÆt, simple as that.
How do I know you will be successful?
I have over the last year proven myself in just this particular line of business.
I have also showed that I have done my research.
I canÆt see this operation as a failure, and even so I have provided my investors with a break even analysis.
Why are you doing this?
Well I have wanted to launch an IPO since I started.
I actually got hooked on EVE and the whole trade, secondary market and corporate management aspect of the game.
What is you background?
I am a 28 year old Danish male; I have a wife and 2 sons.
IÆve worked inside the IT and Security Business, and have a military leadership education, that I use in the National Guard.
I started playing UO then did a little bit of EQ then some DAOC then some AO then some WOW and now EVE.
I wanted to play EVE from the start, but since I am a social person, I hang around for 3+ years in wow, just so I could play with my friends.
I am a gamer by heart, and just to mention a few of my favourites:
Civilization 1+2+3+4
CivNET
Colonization 1+4
Alpha Centauri
Call to Power 1+2
Starcraft
Warcraft 1+2+3
Diablo 1+2
Dune 1+2
All EOTB and Dungeon Crawler type games
Elite and Freelancer
Total War the series
Counter-Strike 1+2
Etc.
I have run several ôguildsö all successful in their own environment.
I am what you would call a FOTM-*** and an AH *****.
I am also a role-player, with a former professional career behind me as game master and LARP manager.
I also love sci-fi and own most series on DVD; Farscape, Stargate, Star-Trek, Babylon 5 and BSG etc.
Lastly, my biggest interest is physics, philosophy and Aryan esoterically spiritualistic learning.
I am also a bit of a tinfoil madman some would say, and I have an old war VR injury that causes me to trollà
Well you ever buy back shares?
Yes, when we launch phase 4 TMP Industries will buy back shares that investors want to part with at 95% i.e. 475.000 ISK per share.
What if someone ôwar decsö us?
We have good standing with two mercenary corps.
We also have ties to the PVP environment.
While it is certain that a ôwar decö will cost the corporation greatly, profit wise. It is also certain that we will come out on the other side of the ôwar decö with minimum losses.
Too explain. While it is true that we wouldnÆt be able to haul ourselves, and perhaps not even mine etcà We would still be able to turn around our stockpile while sitting in the station.
Also to minimize chance of a ôwar decö no smack or grieving is allowed by our corporation members and the CEO (thatÆs me) has stopped trolling the C&P to assure the investors the stability of their shares.
What is this 1 TRILLION IPO SCAM you tried to launch once?
Original Thread
Original Document
Truth is there has never been a 1 trillion ISK IPO proposal.
In my very first IPO offering I made the mistake of saying there was 1 Million shares for sale at 1 Million ISK each. (I also said I would buy half the shares, and I didnÆt have 500B ISKà No one ever seemed to want to see this, the mistake had been made.)
While the manifest that was created asked for 10-20 Billion ISK.
It never even reached the investor phase.
Do I have to sell my shares back to the corporation?
No you donÆt, itÆs a ôget out of jail free cardö that we offer as a service to our investors.
Will the shares continue to pay dividend?
Yes the share will continue to pay dividend, though an investor majority vote could change this, for a numerous of reasons.
When can i buy shares?
BSTOCK reservations will open on the 1st of May.
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Ji Sama
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Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:19:00 -
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*reserved*
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Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Raybach
And the first magic word is....Audit?
I have asked that your post be deleted, since it is disrupting my presentation.
But I have quoted and answered it in this post, so I hope you donÆt mind.
An audit will be performed if the investors wish for it.
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Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:38:00 -
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Well thank you for your cooperation.
I had a format problem when I was about to post the FAQ. Not everything fitted so I had to reformulate some questions. Thank you for your understanding.
You ask:
It is of course potential investors I mean.
If the ASTOCK buyers want an audit, they will get one.
Later in the process if the ASTOCK buyers didnÆt want an audit, but the potential BSTOCK investors want, we will get an audit done then.
Overall, if the potential investors want an audit done, they will get an audit.
Hope that clears it upà
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Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai
1. ASTOCK reservations open when?
2. Maybe I missed it, but divined payment begins how long after share distribution?
3. Share buyback offered how long after?
4. Hit-by-a-bus failsafe. If you disappeared, is Scorpious Kross (or anyone else) enabled to carry on the IPO, or execute the buybacks?
1: reservations will be open from 16:00 today server time
2: Dividend payments begin one month after BSTOCK shares have been sold or on the the 8th of May, which ever comes first
3: Phase 4 i.e. buyback is offered right after phase 2 and 3 are done i.e. on the 8th of May at the latest.
4: There is currently no one in the corp that can take over my roles. But Scorpious Kross will have access to my accounts, if anything should happen to me.
He has permession to give out these data to the SCC-Lounge SCS's Managers, they can then liquidate and buyback all shares.
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Raybach
Edited by: Viktor Raybach on 28/04/2009 08:22:50
And the first magic word is....Audit?
And continuing on because my inner sceptic demands it:
Originally by: Ji Sama
Risks
The largest risk of failure involves fraud or scam.
And since the largest liquid and solid asset worth is placed under the control of Ji Sama and her alts.
The biggest loss would be if I scammed.
To help relieve doubt any investor would have about this.
I am disclosing full RL identity and Internet History.
Facebook Profile
Linking to a facebook profile doesn't prove it's actually you. Nor does it provide any reassurance regarding scamming at all. There's no reason you can't scam because people know your (assuming it's yours) real name. As such your claim that this would relieve all doubt...doesn't hold up.
Originally by: Ji Sama
The biggest guarantee I personally can give you is that I am not a scammer and I never will be a scammer. I have never scammed in a MMO, the closest thing I get to something remotely close to this, is when I played UO and I was pickpocket burglar, luring players out of the city so I could rob them etc.. And thatÆs a long time ago.
As I'm sure you're aware yourself, every scammer in the past week has said (to paraphrase) 'I'm not a scammer, doubledutch cross heart i'm not'.
Originally by: Ji Sama
Ji Sama is an integrated part of me, and therefore this is one thing that I am absolutely sure about.
Also I have already invested over 30 Billion ISK in the secondary market.
And those you've invested with will confirm it i'm sure.
In essence this all comes back around to - audit needed.
The profile is real, if you looked at the daily quotes you will see ive confirmed by writting that i am currently playing EVE on Ji Sama.
The other point you bring, i cant argue against.
There is nothing to stop me from scamming anyways.
Just that it wouldn't be very nice to have a bunch of games harrasing me because i scammed them in a game. My RL associates and friends would wonder what all that was about..
I.e. i have no interest to bring any form of slander into my real life...
I said it was a personal guarantee, it isn't worth anything and it is the best i can do.
Not all investors want to disclose that what they owe or owed TMP Industries.
And this part would not be included in any audit, except for those willing to step forward, of their own free will.
Moreover there are plenty of posts here in the MD that confirms my investments..
Lastly, its 30B total invested over 1 year, i dont have 30B invested atm, as my NAC clearly states.
Hopes that answer it.
If not or you have any other questions, dont hesitate to ask :D
Thanks for contributing to this thread!
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Posted - 2009.04.28 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lecherito
Oh, at any point will you offer 100% buybacks? Or will investors essentially have to ride out enough dividends just to "break even" ?
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We dont currently plan on buying back at 100%...
One dividend payment should be enough to cover any losses with selling back to TMP Industries.
You are ofcourse welcome to sell the share to other investors for any price you like...
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Posted - 2009.04.28 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Comments
1. You have been on forums a decent amount of time, but have a pretty varied posting history to say the least. Several aborted business attempts and as you say your 1 Trillion IPO.
2. Due to some of your posts and the high amount of ISK asked for you ABSOLUTELY require an audit to even get any capital.
You have an MD history, but it is a huge amount of cash. You still qualify as no previous IPO history so 24B is a lot.
I required a full audit when I tried to raise 15B, and I would say I had a better MD history than you in terms of time, posts and content.
3. If you have a NAV of 50B+ why do you even need more cash?
You must be very profitable, I wouldn't see why you need further capital investment.
Seems wierd IPO, and you require an AUDIT to even start or no play.
Hey Cosmo, thanks for dropping by...
1: I have no aborted or failed business attempts, since i have never gotten to an investment phase before... Only IPO i attempted to launch was my first as you mention the infamous 1 trillion IPO.. The other thing you are refering to was only a discussion...
2: Well ASTOCK shares are gonna go no matter i do an audit or not. But i have decided to get an audit done, and i am contacting an auditor now...
3: Well since my NAV is very diversified and it clearly shows that my liquids arent that high.
The reasons are stated in the BP... a. to establish a firmer grip on the market b. so i dont have to roll over hard assets at a price i dont like because i need liqiud isk asap... etc.
It would provide us with more freedom thought of speak.
That last sentance i didnt quite catch on too.
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Posted - 2009.04.28 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Raybach
Originally by: Ji Sama
1: I have no aborted or failed business attempts, since i have never gotten to an investment phase before... Only IPO i attempted to launch was my first as you mention the infamous 1 trillion IPO.. The other thing you are refering to was only a discussion...
You say that you have no aborted business attempts but then go on to say that you 'attempted to launch' an IPO. As this didn't launch, how can you claim it's not an aborted business attempt?
Originally by: Ji Sama
2: Well ASTOCK shares are gonna go no matter i do an audit or not. But i have decided to get an audit done, and i am contacting an auditor now...
I look forward to it, however, will this be an audit of all your characters or just this one?
Originally by: Ji Sama
3: Well since my NAV is very diversified and it clearly shows that my liquids arent that high.
The reasons are stated in the BP... a. to establish a firmer grip on the market b. so i dont have to roll over hard assets at a price i dont like because i need liqiud isk asap... etc.
It would provide us with more freedom thought of speak.
As it's public knowledge given I and many other people were in the channel at the time, and as I have no connection with Ebank...
You attempted to get a loan from Ebank about a week ago. I don't see any mention of this debt in your NAV. Were you refused the loan, was it short-term (and will you ask for someone from Ebank to confirm if it was short-term and paid in full) etc? Moreover, attempting to get a loan and then a week later launching an IPO seems a little odd to me, especially given your NAV.
1: well it gets into a definition battle then.. since i never got to the phase where investors where asked to invest, i dont consider it a failed business, because there never was a business to begin with...
2: It will be an audit on the relevant accounts.
3: Its really simple.. I have tried a couple of times to get a loan from ebank, but never got to the phase were i was bothered applying... The reason for this is not that they turned me down, its the other way around.
If i see a good deal, and i dont have the liquids to invest in it, i loan... thats easy...
so instead of gaining 0% extra profit i get perhaps 25% profit of which i have to pay 10% interest etc. and 0% > 15% imo...
Problem is with solid assets that when the time comes for a fast turn over you will loose profit.
I am trying to stop myself out of the habbit of cutting profit for a faster roll over...
I have explained that NAV doesnt equal Liquid ISK!
The Businessplan also states what the ISK will be used for.
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Posted - 2009.04.28 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Janson Webb
Do you intend to set a minimum number of shares per reservation?
There is no minimum on ASTOCK shares.
BSTOCK is limited to lots of 100 shares i.e. 50.000.000 ISK
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Posted - 2009.04.28 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 28/04/2009 11:02:46
Originally by: Viktor Raybach
Originally by: Ji Sama
There is no minimum on ASTOCK shares.
BSTOCK is limited to lots of 100 shares i.e. 50.000.000 ISK
You expect to get 400 different investors?
You've not really thought this number through, have you?
Thank you for pointing that out i wasnt clear, it is ofcourse a minimum... ie. there are no minimum on ASTOCK but the minimum on BSTOCK is 100 share lots.
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Posted - 2009.04.28 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Problem with some of your previous IPO discussions you did try to sell shares on more than one occasion.
1. You tried with your 1 Trillion ISK IPO, and then made a bunch of edits (which you do frequently).
2. You tried a 20B IPO (discussion) more recently for the small investor, and in the end even offered about 15B in collateral to make it work. You still didn't get any bites.
3. Many of your IPO discussions lead you to dropping the proposal which isn't good for the investor confidence.
4. Although you do have an extensive posting history it mainly consists of jokes and quips, and minimal constructive comment followed by repeated edits to many posts.
5. Did you apply for a loan? I would like EBANK to clarify. Did they reject you?
Now if you were willing to throw 15B collateral for a previous failed IPO attempt why not put that amount up again this time. That would make the the IPO 60% secured.
60% security with audit would help out.
Another factor not helping you though is that Atima seems to have disappeared on a 60B IPO with 80% security.
Hey again cosmo :D
1: Well EVE search should have the original... But when i think about it you are right... i did offer shares on the 1000 trillion isk ipo... i stand corrected, memory did me wrong there..
2: there was plenty of interest in the small time investor ipo.. id didnt launch because i didnt go forward with it. and that was a pure discussion, nothing was being offered...
I think it was Bobby and Kwint that had some excellent points on why it wasnt a good idea..
3: well i dont drop out without a reason, and i see it as my right to drop out at anytime up untill actual payment. In return i grant the same right to the 7 investors that have already reserved 4650 ASTOCK shares. They can pull the plug on this investment right up till the actual transfer.. then the deal is sealed.
4: dont know what you want me to say here..
5: No i did not apply for the loan, i got it through i private investor that saw that i was looking for a loan. that saved me the hazzle of the ebank procedure...
I dont see why ebank would turn me down, since it was 110% secured loan.
6: I am not throwing security at this for 1 reason, some of the MD'ers i do discuss with brought it to my attention that it would just be unhealthy for TMP Industries to provide the security. Its just not good business for us..
And we are doing this to create good business for us and for the investors..
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Posted - 2009.04.28 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
If you want to generate trust in the investor community who are the investors who have reserved.
I see none in this thread.
You have seen enough IPO launches to know that is an absolute no-no for IPO launches to state all reservations are not in the public IPO post.
You will get flamed for scam tactic if you don't reveal or get some to post their reservations.
Ofcourse i just didnt want to announce the list of investors untill the reservation on the ASTOCK is in fact opened..
Post will be updated with investor list and status of investment...
I am 100% open about this, and have been so in every answer, in here and in various chats around EVE.
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Posted - 2009.04.28 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jadun
yo ho all
This seems oki doki so far.
Got a little Question to throw in. Will there be any difference between A and B stock? Meaning Are Payouts or buybacks different?
I am still noobish with the MD forum and got a lot to learn, but me thinks that Ji Sama put some hard work into Presenting TMPI
Best of luck to Tash-Murkon Prime Industries.
Jadun
P.S. Is there a ingame Chat Channel where questions could be asked?
There are no diference in A vs B Stock when it comes to payment, worth, dividend etc. And ofcourse the fact that there are no minimum on the ASTOCK where it is 100 shares in the BSTOCK!
There are channels you can join.
scc-lounge
and there are other legit trading channels.
i also recomend that you join ebank channel.
atleast to pick up on whats moving around that part.
And welcome to the MD forum :D
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Originally by: Lui Kai
Edited by: Lui Kai on 28/04/2009 11:50:45
Though I have no mentionable reputation in MD - I'm one of the folks who've reserved 100 A-stock.
I've talked with Ji about the IPO in SCC - and told him my impression on it.
I pointed out that the IPO has 0 in-game failsafes, and the only out of game failsafe would be pestering him/his friends/family via Facebook/Myspace. Despite this fact, I chose to invest for purely subjective reasons (I'm of the impression that Ji values his character/corporate rep more than the funds he's raising). I'm investing (very) modestly, and the return is respectable.
Ji openly agreed with me that he found the above accurate.
Confirming we are in agreement on the security issues..
Thanks for the kind words..
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Originally by: Takemikazuki
It would be a smoother launch if ye arranged an audit before presenting the IPO to the public.
i actually never planned on doing this without an audit.
i have contacted an auditor that has worked for me in the past.
we will see if the auditor accepts my proposal..
if not then your right, it would create a bump in the launch...
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Posted - 2009.04.28 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Raybach
Originally by: Ji Sama
i actually never planned on doing this without an audit.
i have contacted an auditor that has worked for me in the past.
we will see if the auditor accepts my proposal..
if not then your right, it would create a bump in the launch...
That's odd because you made no mention of an audit in any of your initial material.
When I raised the subject of an audit you stated you'd do one if the investors asked, later clarified to if the potential investors asked. You then went on to say you'd do one.
Could you explain why, if you planned on doing an audit from the start, you made no mention of it until asked and didn't contact an auditor until after it had been raised in the thread?
It might seem like a very minor point as far as the timeline is concerned, but I have a distrust of inconsistency in any business proposal or explanation of such.
The reason you have holes are because you arenÆt in my loop...
And that is not your own fault, so I will enlighten.
I tried to convo up my auditor earlier today. He was afk.
I then announce in the scc-lounge that I am launching TMP Industries as an IPO.
I then get into various private chats with different people from the MD where they all are very helpful in pointing out things I need to elaborate on.
That being the lack of audit information amongst others.
My plan was, just to have the auditor post here, confirming that he would be doing the audit.
I think what you see as inconsistencies are simply my limited vocabulary and lack of ability to properly make my self understandable..
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Posted - 2009.04.28 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Takemikazuki
It would be a smoother launch if ye arranged an audit before presenting the IPO to the public.
Originally by: Ji Sama
i actually never planned on doing this without an audit. i have contacted an auditor that has worked for me in the past.
I've done some auditing for Ji Sama before so I'll go ahead and dip into this one again. The delay was purely my own as Ji did try contacting me prior to the posting. I can see why people may think that waiting for the audit results might be wise but the flipside not waiting shows a mark of confidence in the results. (I've been busy the past couple of days - Ooops) Please allow 24 - 48 hours for me to do this. Also we haven't discussed any compensation (though in the past Ji has, imho, overcompensated me for work done) so I'd like to say, "Don't count your reservations as firm until I've had a chance to argue payroll with Ji." 
Moslty because there was no mention of an audit in the primary offering and when asked he stated only when the question arrizes from investors for an audit.Then above he replied he allways meant to do an audit.
I can see how the other poster would find this odd and in contradiciton with the OP's previous words.
I am sure with you backing him up on the fact he asked for it prior to the offering it will assure people of his intentions.
Well i actually need to step in here for a little sec.
The way this was posted, it was prior to post.
I can see i wasnt clear enough on what i meant with; the investors gets an audit if they want one.
I was mainly refering to ASTOCK as i knew these would sell before any audit could be concluded.
I have always said, and im saying it again; that if i was ever to launch an IPO, i would disclose RL data, all accounts and alt, and submit to peer review and a full audit..
The blame is on me for not being clear enough on this...
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 28/04/2009 14:38:47
Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: flakeys
I can see how the other poster would find this odd and in contradiciton with the OP's previous words.
I am sure with you backing him up on the fact he asked for it prior to the offering it will assure people of his intentions.
IMHO, grill the hell out of him. Just because I'm doing an audit doens't mean he gets a pass on the usual roasting. I just can't do it (though I'd like to) as my position is a bit ambiguous at this point.
Well i would expect you to give me no parlor in this audit...
So bring me what you got...
EDIT: also i have informed Hawk that no matter the outcome of the audit, he will get full compensation for is work... just so we are clear here...
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Posted - 2009.04.28 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Raybach
Edited by: Viktor Raybach on 28/04/2009 14:54:57
Originally by: Ji Sama
The reason you have holes are because you arenÆt in my loop...
And that is not your own fault, so I will enlighten.
I tried to convo up my auditor earlier today. He was afk.
I then announce in the scc-lounge that I am launching TMP Industries as an IPO.
I then get into various private chats with different people from the MD where they all are very helpful in pointing out things I need to elaborate on.
That being the lack of audit information amongst others.
My plan was, just to have the auditor post here, confirming that he would be doing the audit.
I think what you see as inconsistencies are simply my limited vocabulary and lack of ability to properly make my self understandable..
Minor point but that's still not matching up with the timeline.
You announce IPO, make no mention of Audit
I raise the subject of audit
You say one will be done if the investors/potential investors ask for one
Other people say an audit is needed
Only then do you say that you're going to do an audit.
It's not until after this that you then say you always intended to do one. However that's directly contradicted by your earlier statement that you'd have one done if the investors asked you to. Note, you'd do one if they asked, not 'I of course will get one done and am waiting to hear back from an auditor'.
With Shar confirming it then your claim's born out but that's not what you said, and it certainly wasn't reflected in your responses on the subject.
As I said, it's a minor point, but it's inconsistent.
Well your right anyways...
It is an inconsistency, i have tried to explain this..
This IPO isnt something that was launched on a day to day basis. The model have been under quite some discussion, and i was actually convinced into limiting the audit i wanted...
There are many from the Lounge and the MD forum that will confirm what i have said.
If i where to launch an IPO i would always commit to an audit...
I was talking in context about the ASTOCK shares.
I hope we have cleared this matter out now.
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Posted - 2009.04.28 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Thoraemond
Originally by: Ji Sama
Currently there is one other director role-holder in the corporation, and that is Scorpious Kross.
It seems unlikely to be necessary to audit all employees (if the enterprise's exposure to each is sufficiently limited). However, a second Director sounds like (at least) one more account for the auditor to examine.
I should be a requirement, anyone with director roles and access has damn near the same liability as a CEO as far as a public interest goes. Standard employees can be skipped for the most part, however names will need to be provided so that a background check against eve-search and employment history can be done.
Depending on time involved, whoever is doing the audit should spend at least 3-4 hours on this one. Scrubbing your corporate wallets, your director's wallet, your wallet, and then spamming that against employment histories.
...at least this is what I would do.
That is a fair point, i would have to run it past him of course before giving his api out.
Though it is an uninteresting account in regards to the corp assets and wallets.
Since he doesnt have the roles because he has the qualifications to be a NCO, (in EVE that is.)
But he purely have these roles because i have known him for 23 years and i would trust him with my life (we serve in the same squad in the national guard)
So i never thought twice about granting him director roles.
He is also the corps failsafe mechanism should i be hit by a bus.
I will get his agreement to send his API key to Hawk...
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Originally by: Viktor Raybach
Edited by: Viktor Raybach on 28/04/2009 17:23:54
Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Viktor Raybach
As I said, it's a minor point, but it's inconsistent.
If this is as bad as the critique of this IPO is going to get, Ji's got this one in the bag even without an audit. (I.e. Tempest in a teapot it seems)
1) Contentious (note contentious, not shady) past history with 1 abandoned IPO of dubious merit (1 trillion isk)
2) No security
3) Large amount of Isk requested for first launch
Those three in and of themselves are going to put off X amount of potential investors even with an audit.
1: It wasnt 1 trillion isk, it was 20B tops.. But a good thing i never launched, because i had underestimated the move from millions to billions, and that ballgame actually took me 3 months to figure out...
2: No security, nothing to argue about here, i have stated why this IPO doesnt provide any security other than a break even analysis..
3: Its half our NAV i actually think that the shares could sell for more.
Though i took an amount i knew i would be comfortable with...
Anything higher and i might begin to tilt. Anything lower and i could just aswell get a bond...
This is a real deal IPO, its not for short term profit, this investment is not for everyone.
Its an investment in the corp, not your wallet.
The ROI is just an incentive...
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Posted - 2009.04.28 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby
Well, that's some impressive quanitity of text I've just had to read through! It's fairly obvious that you have put some time and effort into this, which is in stark contrast with the rubbish we have been bombarded with in MD recently. Well done!
However...
24.5 billion? Handed over to you and your corpmates? For an estimated 7% return? With no real security?
No way, no how.
That's far too much to hand over to a publicly untested entity no matter how decent and upstanding they may appear to be in forums and in-game channels. I can understand your ASTOCK investors will invest because they know you better than I do and because they have made their call based on the trust you have built up with them. But for me and other potential BSTOCK investors, it would be simply stupid for us to hand over that much isk to you without security while preserving any good expectations of seeing it back again.
In my opinion there simply has to be more security on this.
That said, I think there is potential here and with a little more work this could be made to fly.
I'll be back when I've had more time to think and re-read.
Thank you very much for your input bobby.
I can see the cause of your concern, and i know that i am asking for alot considering this is my first real public offer.
All ASTOCK shares was reserved because of the lobby work ive done before hand i agree here.
And no that doesnt mean squat **** to you, i can understand that.
Actually just for as general information the interest in this has been huge, way over what i expected, and i did expect the IPO to fill but not this fast.
If i wanted to i could have sold 25% of the BSTOCK already, because quite frankly there was just to little ASTOCK involved in this.
Thats my mistake however.
If you could somehow come with an idea on how i could increase security without limiting myself on my margin i would be very open to that.
thanks for contributing to this thread...
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Posted - 2009.04.28 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 28/04/2009 18:12:38
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Ji Sama
Actually just for as general information the interest in this has been huge, way over what i expected, and i did expect the IPO to fill but not this fast.
If i wanted to i could have sold 25% of the BSTOCK already, because quite frankly there was just to little ASTOCK involved in this.
Thats my mistake however.
Then you are a superb lobbyist with a good handle on PR and/or have many friends willing to take a chance on you. This does not make the investment sound by any measure usually applied in MD.
The total lack of any worthwhile investment oppertunities over recent months is no doubt contributing to this, just as if you had dangled a bag of crack in front of a cold turkeyed addict's nose. But desperation is no excuse for throwing out the rulebook.
Originally by: Ji Sama
If you could somehow come with an idea on how i could increase security without limiting myself on my margin i would be very open to that.
Now we are talking.
Let's look at this:
POS currently set up for R&D 5B ISK
Tier 1 fleet 2.14B
Tier 2 fleet 1.01B
Faction fleet 2.58B
Tier 1, Meta 3-4, Tier 2 and faction modules 4.19B
Misc. solid assets; minerals, salvage, ice and trade goods etc. 3B+
Blueprint copies and originals 2B+
Market sell-order 8B+
Market buy-order 2B+
Contracts 2B+
Liquid Capital 1.5B
Investments 13.6B
Ordered assets under construction 3.6B
I've underlined 20.6b of assets that may have potential for use as collateral without impacting your margins.
Let's talk about those.
rgr. the investment is currently in bond form spread out on 4 investments loans (one i would describe as high risk and would consider that as a bigger liability than the rest! (it is however only a very small loan)
i dont see how i can use that as security...
the blueprints could be used as security np there, since we are doing limited research atm, we arent using most (about 99% of the bpo's and bpc's)
the pos i dont see how you could secure, if you by secure mean take down...
ps: i wasnt saying that my lobbying should be a sign of a legit investment, i was only saying that i didnt make enough :D
EDIT: the faction fleet could in theory be liquidated, since its only bling bling, and expensive bling bling at that...
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Posted - 2009.04.28 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
The POS is number 1 on the security list. It would be pretty trivial to move this to a holdings corporation and have TMP join in an alliance so that access could still be had and operations continue. There is the obvious small details of tearing down/putting up/refuel but its pretty small.
The prints would be the next best option, but then you get into issues of how to secure them and still maintain some type of corporation since to build off them, the build alt would have to be in the holding corporation unless things were run off a copy system. Copies could work depending on your consumption amounts.
I know there are a number of people here that could do the former, and quite a bit that could assist with the latter.
i just wanna be clear that we are talking a very big pos here...
its not something you just take down...
since we are only starting to move into the bpo / construction business, alot of this could be secured... imo...
i would be thankful for any pointers as who could help with this. though i must say atm. taking the pos down seems out of the question..
it would take some 24 hours i think to offline and unanchor it all!
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Posted - 2009.04.28 18:22:00 -
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i have a problem though, (it doesnt have to be a problem)
if i use the pos and the bpo's + the returned investments as security. i would effectively neuter my R&D plan imo..
And since that has an estimated 10-15% of the invesment this ipo brings in, this could in theory be removed, but this changes to much of the overall plan imo. nothing i couldnt handle, but i still think that the whole IPO should be reviewed then..
i dont know, im just not comfortable with making huge changes in the BP after the offer has started, and investments has been reserved.
dunno, im in two minds here...
(im thinking out loud here, i have no current plan to divert from the BP, but i am more than open to suggestions on how to increase security without limiting my potential profit.)
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Posted - 2009.04.28 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby
I have to log off now, so I'll pick this up tommorrow.
But I'll say that Kazzac has it right with the POS and BPOs. Those could easily be secured with myself or Kazuo or one of many other trusted parties. If the principle is acceptable to you then we can get into the details next.
The investments could be transferred over to a trusted third party who will then send back any dividends/interest to you. But obviously this depends on the investments in question. Once again, if the principle is acceptable to you then we can discuss the details.
i agree on the principle, we can discuss terms and details later, we have plenty of time imo.
i am really glad you decided to contribute to this !
its just a big pos, but perhaps its feels this way because i set it up solo... :P in a badger :p
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Posted - 2009.04.28 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 28/04/2009 18:32:59
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Ji Sama
i just wanna be clear that we are talking a very big pos here...
its not something you just take down...
since we are only starting to move into the bpo / construction business, alot of this could be secured... imo...
i would be thankful for any pointers as who could help with this. though i must say atm. taking the pos down seems out of the question..
it would take some 24 hours i think to offline and unanchor it all!
EDIT: ok 24 hours is a bit over the top, but it has alot of anchored offline weapon systems etc... hardeners! etc.
You don't necessarily have to take that POS down immediately. Funds are secured and used to purchase the exact same items and then powered up at the same time while you tear the first one down. TMP is then left to liquidate the first POS at their leisure. The purchase of the second POS would be handled by the previous mentioned holding corp. A somewhat smaller model of how this works in operation is a public investment handled by Bad Bobby by which he secured a capital ship from the OP, funds from the investors, distributed funds to the OP, and then held the carrier until bond completion.
Only this in instance, the POS would be placed up and running.
Just for sh*ts and giggles, if you could securitize the POS and prints, you've easily gotten almost to 50% security. Add in the bonds and you're damn near at 100%.
With that much security you might even be able to negotiate a lower public rate
well its not about the rate tbh, i wanted to make a fair and real IPO offering, that would benefit the corp and its investors.
this isnt a short termed bond.
i didnt know that about the pos, also, atm its overkill, and with the right standings it could be moved and made smaller ie. cut down on the armory...
its posible, i am more than willing to discuss this in further detail.
imo the poss is only 20% security.
the bpo's are around 8% security.
the bonds are worth 55% of the investment.
the problem with the bond is that one atleast isnt mature for another 4 mth, there is a 10 billion bond that will mature on the 9th of may... (thats the day after the phase 3 closes)
(that could be moved one day wouldnt be a problem!) (but then again, i kinda accounted for this already, and was planing reinvest this into another project here in the MD)
edit: tired and typing to fast, im really sorry for mistreating your language...
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Posted - 2009.04.28 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Ji Sama
i have a problem though, (it doesnt have to be a problem)
if i use the pos and the bpo's + the returned investments as security. i would effectively neuter my R&D plan imo..
And since that has an estimated 10-15% of the invesment this ipo brings in, this could in theory be removed, but this changes to much of the overall plan imo. nothing i couldnt handle, but i still think that the whole IPO should be reviewed then..
i dont know, im just not comfortable with making huge changes in the BP after the offer has started, and investments has been reserved.
dunno, im in two minds here...
(im thinking out loud here, i have no current plan to divert from the BP, but i am more than open to suggestions on how to increase security without limiting my potential profit.)
The ways around issues are pretty easy depending on what you intended goal is. I know you don't want to let the cat out of the bag on some things, so if you'd like feel free to get in touch with myself of Bad Bobby, or any one of the many trusted folks around here.
Either of us can be trusted to go over details and help you discuss your plan and how it might fit into any securitized options. This way you might be able to make up your mind one way or the other if you're (and your corpmates too  ) comfortable with that.
i am taking you up on that offer, thanks... i will contact you ingame, need some dinner first though :p will catch you asap.
i trust you and bobby, so there is no issues there for me to reveal "sensitive" data.
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Posted - 2009.04.28 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Ji Sama
Edited by: Ji Sama on 28/04/2009 18:16:19
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
The POS is number 1 on the security list. It would be pretty trivial to move this to a holdings corporation and have TMP join in an alliance so that access could still be had and operations continue. There is the obvious small details of tearing down/putting up/refuel but its pretty small.
The prints would be the next best option, but then you get into issues of how to secure them and still maintain some type of corporation since to build off them, the build alt would have to be in the holding corporation unless things were run off a copy system. Copies could work depending on your consumption amounts.
I know there are a number of people here that could do the former, and quite a bit that could assist with the latter.
i just wanna be clear that we are talking a very big pos here...
its not something you just take down...
since we are only starting to move into the bpo / construction business, alot of this could be secured... imo...
i would be thankful for any pointers as who could help with this. though i must say atm. taking the pos down seems out of the question..
it would take some 24 hours i think to offline and unanchor it all!
EDIT: ok 24 hours is a bit over the top, but it has alot of anchored offline weapon systems etc... hardeners! etc.
Believe me, I have put up and taken down more POSes than you can possibly imagine. I understand what is involved in that, both with and without heavy firepower assistance.
ye its just saddens me to see my fine pos be taken down, even though it havent happened yet.
i put alot of work into that setup :p
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Posted - 2009.04.29 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson
1. Start small
2. I agree with the comments about using your POS and blueprints and covert it into liquid asset. You can always join a research alliance if you need to use a lab for your R&D plan. It's actually cheaper that way and easier to manage.
3. Your behavior in regards to RC's scam kind of put you in a grey area, seems kind of odd that someone would pay back the victims and stick his neck out for a scammer.
4. If A and B shares are paying out the same then why not make it one share? It'll be easier to manage that way.
5. Because you have 33 members in your corp, I feel that there is a need for a auditor to come in and verify that the titles and role management has been setup correctly to ensure that corp thief can occur. You talk about branching out to different area including mining, production, research and development, etc etc. It's pretty easy to miss something for a corp of your size.
6. I'm going to wait until an audit is completed before dipping my toe any further.
1+2: I did start small, but this should be of a size where i can justifying this being an IPO
To small and i could just aswell get a bond.
I dont mind scrapping the R&D of this IPO, if the investors will feel more secure about that. that could take the whole IPO down 2B and take it further down by collateralizing the POS and BPO's with around 7B for 9B max...
3: Ye i can see that, though i have had all the affected investors thank me personally in game, the reason i did it might not be visible.
I did it because it was the right thing to do, and because i knew that RC wasnt a scammer.
His MD rep is ruined for his entire career in EVE, but that doesnt make it right to keep the 600M he scammed. So i convinced him ( he didnt need much though) to pay back the investors.
(And since your so smart (tounge in cheek here) yes you could in theory say it was me that paid, my denying that would be a lie.)
4: They are exactly the same. ASTOCK where just sold before BSTOCK to privateinvestors/friends/corpmates and the scc-lounge.
The reason for this should be obvious, i only regret not making the 19000 ASTOCK that i planned on from the start...
5: I have offered the auditor access to my corp via. an alt. but roles are set up right, and becides Kross, people only get roles on a need basis. And with that being said, the people in the corp with access to over 1 billion i trust, otherwise they wouldnt have these roles..
A corp theif would only have access to the warehouse, which hold a limited ammount of ore/mins/ammo/drones/misc items etc. totalling not over 2-3B at the max at any given time..
This is a risk im prepared to take.. We cant lock everything down, and its just crazy that a director should authorize anyone that wants a extra drone or some more small hybrid ammo..
because of the sheer sizes of the piles they are worth allot..
but i have yet to hear of the infamous ammo corp thief :D
anyways, your point is fair. and you bring 1 additional case for the auditor to check.
thanks for that. (though it have been the plan¦from mide side all along)
6: rgr that, thanks for contributing.
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Hey Pixie:
I am sorry that you think my numbers donÆt make sense.
I am not an accountant, and since I have done all the numbers myself, it is very possible that I have made an error in my estimation, hence the estimate.
I donÆt expect this estimate to be any higher or lower than 20%.
That is also the reason I placed the total value of the IPO a good count below the NAV.
Also since our goods move as they do, its very hard to give a precise number on how much exactly is in the corp possession at any given time..
I therefore did some estimates based on the Revenue and Holdings etc.
They are not 100% accurate numbers..
First as Bobby pointed out, I never said I made a 33% ROI, I said that from the profit which is X ROI I will pay out 33% of that as dividend each month, for an estimated shareholder ROI of 7%.
I donÆt assume I am not a scammer, I KNOW that I am not a scammer.
But that is not the issue here; the issue is that YOU donÆt know.
But it would just be the lamest scam in history, because I have funnelled out more into the secondary market and its members over the last 3 months than I am asking for in this IPO.
So if I was a scammer I would be a really bad scammer coming out of this with more than 5 billion in the red.
I will not disclose any data about what I trade, the specific margins that I trade with, or for that matter where I trade.
I have already given out more than enough even telling the MD who my market alts are..
I require the extra capital for the reasons I give in the overall BP.
I have recently found myself in a position where I would have to liquidate assets at a price that was to low (for me) and instead of continuing down that path, and doing the extra 2-3 billion bonds I decided with the corp. and my advisors that the time for expansion had come.
But I will give you some general data:
My margins are as low as 5% and as high as 1000%
My daily move is as low a 0.2 and as high as 10.000.000 depending on the good
My overall ROA is 50% (this is a estimate, but I can see that my NAV has gone up with over the last 6 month with around 50% per month)
My over ROI I would say is around 20-25% I have set this a little lower than it actually is, because I donÆt want to give the investors the wrong impression.
Since this isnÆt done because you want a fast ROI on your portfolio, this is done because you believe in the corp.
But since some of it doesnÆt move at all i.e. its no up for sale, and others move perhaps once every odd day, while others moves 1000Æs per day. ItÆs a bit tricky for me to give you hard numbers.
If an accountant could be hired for this job I would be more than happy to provide them with the API. (ofc. Under the agreement that nothing specific is disclosed)
I might have mixed up a few things hereà
I will standby to clarify!
My 8 billion in sell orders isnÆt suspicious. While I hate to admit it, I do have a couple of items (around 2-3 I think that is up at an inflated priceà there is a reason for this! Controlling the market makes this a profitable business, if you are the only one in the system selling badgers, some git will come along an buy one of you for 800M instead of 800K)
This isnÆt scamming just to make it clear, and I admit I have 2-3 of these orders atm. (Its just expensive to take them down when you arenÆt manipulating the market)
But I also assure you that atm. Not more than 400M in sell orders is up at inflated priceà
I have a lot of orders up and not everything roll over daily, some even only roll over weekly, but because my margins are so big on these items, it makes it worth it.
I donÆt know where you get the idea from that I have no idea of what an IPO is, and what I take!
I have after all been reading in here.
Thanks for adding to this threadà.
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Posted - 2009.04.29 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby
Edited by: Bad Bobby on 29/04/2009 06:40:37
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
The ways around issues are pretty easy depending on what you intended goal is. I know you don't want to let the cat out of the bag on some things, so if you'd like feel free to get in touch with myself of Bad Bobby, or any one of the many trusted folks around here.
Either of us can be trusted to go over details and help you discuss your plan and how it might fit into any securitized options. This way you might be able to make up your mind one way or the other if you're (and your corpmates too ) comfortable with that.
Confirming this.
I see potential in the relationship that could be formed between [Ugly.] and [T-M P] in this endeavour. From an investors perspective we can fill the role of security and use our established reputation to provide a leg up for your untested one. But I also see potential for us to actually add value to your business as well.
On the subject of the POS & BPOs, I see some alternatives:
1. Take down your POS, hand it over to me, I put it back up under one of my R&D corps. Lock down your BPOs in one of my R&D corps with access to your POS plus all of mine.
The result is you have a nice chunk of security (7b by your estimates), you have lost nothing and you have gained a whole lot of extra R&D capabilities that come with having access to my corps. There is also potential for your POS to see higher utilisation under my control than it would see under yours, which could make more isk for both of us if you want to go that way.
2. Sell off your POS and buy some more of your own shares with the proceeds. Arrange to lock down your BPOs in one of my R&D corps with access to full POS facilities.
You retain control of more of your corp, you stand to profit more from your venture and you still get all the POS facilities you could ever need without the headache of maintaining any of it. The security level of this option is poor, but as a result you would be asking for less money. I do understand that this option probably doesn't fit in with your vision of running an IPO, so it's not going to be a favourite for you, but I have to put the option forward so that you can compare it to the alternatives.
3. Take down your POS, use it's value as security but don't put it back up again. Arrange to lock down your BPOs in one of my R&D corps with access to full POS facilities.
A very simple option. More security than option 2, but it makes less sense unless you are just after raising more public money for the sake of it. It also has less potential for making us both additional income than option 1.
I'm also open to other ideas and discussion on this, I'm sure we can come up with something that works for you, me and all investors.
Option 1 is my favourite, because it makes the most business sense. But all three options involve me performing a service for you while saving you time, work and money. All three have a revenue stream for me, so I do ok out of it too, this is important in any business relationship. But option 1, I feel, will make us both more isk than your original plan and any of the other alternatives I have suggested here.
Give it all some thought and see what your potential investors think. Don't rush into a decision on this and also remember that I am not the only person that can provide this service. If you trust me and think I'll do a better job than the others, then fine, but don't take that decision lightly.
[EDIT] I don't use a spellchecker and it often shows 
thanks for that input, ill think about it, option 1 is the only viable option imo...
2+3 doesnt fit what this corp is about, and i have actually been saving up for that pos, because i wanted to use it.
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Posted - 2009.04.29 09:36:00 -
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Bobby i want to thank you for your offer, and i will have to respectively accept on behalf of TMP Industries.
I will contact you ingame for the details.
I would rather we all waited untill after the audit with signing and underwriting of any deal :D
Once again thank you for this offer :D
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Posted - 2009.04.29 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Ji Sama
Bobby i want to thank you for your offer, and i will have to respectively accept on behalf of TMP Industries.
I will contact you ingame for the details.
I would rather we all waited untill after the audit with signing and underwriting of any deal :D
Once again thank you for this offer :D
Sounds good to me.
I'll be online after DT today, if only briefly, and then I'll be online plenty tonight.
This deal would account for around 7b of collateral, based on the figures I've seen so far and that will have to be confirmed later. Do we want to discuss further collateral using other assets or investments?
well no harm in discussing it..
but its the only viable security i can offer without decreasing my ROI..
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Posted - 2009.04.29 11:10:00 -
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atleast 3 billion of the bonds could be handed over to a trustfund..
it would be no problem, the big bond i have that matures next saturday, is kinda dubvious and wouldnt feel comfortable exposing that, and i am 100% sure that the investor would not want his bond in other hands...
i would have no problem doing something like this.
the way i see it...
I hand over all POS & BPO assets to Ugly Toys.
They might aswell just handle the other 3 Billion, as they can be handed over immediately, and one them is even maturing during phase 3... so thats actually perfect... (all these are in bond form, i have no "proof" of their existance other than my own and the bond holders word.
Though I am sure that the bond not maturing during phase 3 wont cause any trust issues.
just so we are clear, the return i am getting arent being used as security, that will still go to me.
And the liquids would have to be reinvested into the secondary market so they dont stagnate.
TBH one thing i am sure about is that i can trust you with my assets.
Im not the one with trust issues here :D
I just dont want to pay a price for your (ie. the investors) trust that would cause me to loose profit.
And that is actually what we have achieved here imo.
So thank you for that.
tldr:
Sure thing bobby, you can hold all of the collateral!
Bonds would have to be reinvested though. at a minimum 7% return... dont know how we do that...
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Posted - 2009.04.29 11:43:00 -
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Idd i know some thought of cap would be put on the trusted isk..
since nothing would stop me from investing them into my own scam etc.
I trust you because i have read your post in here over the last year.
Even though you dont want to admit it, your character or persona shines through.
You arent in this so you can scam me out of 10B..
I know this the same way i know that i arent in this to scam MD out of 24B
I still trust RC on a personal level, that does not mean that i will risk any of TMP Industries assets with him. (Since they are no longer my own)
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Posted - 2009.04.29 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Ji Sama
atleast 3 billion of the bonds could be handed over to a trustfund..
it would be no problem, the big bond i have that matures next saturday, is kinda dubvious and wouldnt feel comfortable exposing that, and i am 100% sure that the investor would not want his bond in other hands...
Depending on what the investments were and what they entailed I could take the entire 10b and roll it into my current operations. Most likely if its liquid isk, it would just be rolled over into my current trading operations while any asset style items would be held locked down in my research corporation.
I'd even be willing to offer a small return on it.
Consider this carefully. Don't worry about hurting my feelings if you go with Kazzac, or anyone else, on this. It's all business and I think he can add more to this side of the venture than I can.
i have considered this, and while i would have no problem with kazzac handling this, you already have a business i can use...
and as such im actually gaining more when i give you my pos, than i would keeping it.
(ie. i dont have control but i have access, and it is the access i need, not the control)
but still, as of now i have not decided what to do about the bonds.
I think ill create a trust fund for this exact purpose...
I might go with kazzac or bobby or even scc here...
and to be honest, this isnt in a hurry aslong as the cummunity are willing to help out here..
we can choose who exactly will secure the assets/bonds over the weekend :D
also @ kazzac we are talking about the large bond i have that matures on the 8th?
if thats the case; i see no problem rolling this over into your business for a return that could be justified to my investors...
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Posted - 2009.04.29 16:47:00 -
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I see this as a win-win situation, while i am not ignorant to the fact what bobby did here. I am not some puppet that just goes along with who ever crashed my IPO thread.
With that being said, i agree 100% with shar's statement, it was a slick move, promoting yourself and at the same time securing a client.
:D but i dont mind, i would have said so if it was a problem :D
@shar it is no problem, i know its a large work load i have asked you to help me with, no matter the outcome i will make it worth your time, again thanks for doing this :D
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Posted - 2009.04.29 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 29/04/2009 18:30:05
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 29/04/2009 18:23:36
I've been doing business with Ji lately and suffice to say we are both satisfied how things turned out.
Looking forward to further develop our business relation after you get the much needed capital.
You'll get investors whether you provide collateral or not, IMHO running your business via the corp wallet and accepting an alt of a trusted MD member as director in your corp to counter a sudden disappearance event will do.
Of course you might learn something from working with Bad Bobby, the choice is yours.
thanks for dropping by YGR :D
confirming that YGR has bought over 6.5B worth of minerals...
also confirming that we are both happy with this arrangement, due to limits on my behalf, i have had to set it on standby, while stockpiling! this is only temp. though, next batch will be done next week..
anyways...
you are absolutely right, i could do this without security, for that matter i could do this without an audit.
I could have sold all 49K shares on the first day, and i could have done this without going to the MD..
So why did i do this?
Why did i decide to provide an audit and security (without limiting my profit ofc)
I did it because i believe in the MD. I did it because i dont think it would be healthy for the secondary market if i just steamrolled this investment through.
There are safety mechanism and procedures that i think is essential if the secondary market is to protect itself.
Anyways. thanks for bringing up a nice point :D
See you ingame :p
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Posted - 2009.04.30 08:45:00 -
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Alright... Thanks to all for contributing to this thread, and thanks to those that showed support :D
Its gonna go down like this..
Bobby will get control over our POS and all our BPO's (the ones that are worth anything anyways.) ie estimated 6B
Keyser will underwrite for 3B
Caleb will underwrite for 4B
Thats 13B total in security...
More than 55% of the total IPO
To top that, i will insure the investors that the next big bond that matures will be fully invested into a 3rd party and be locked down for an interest over 7%
That should bring the total securities up to 23B ie. 95% of the IPO..
I can do this without cutting to much into my profit.
All securities run on a 3 mth basis. After the 3 mths, some of the securities are highly likely to be pulled, and reinvested into more profitable areas...
Thank you all again, for helping me launch this IPO.
Also a big thanks to all the investors.
I have no doubt in my mind / pending shars audit ofc. that this IPO will be filled over the weekend.
Take care all..
(in general, i am not availible this evening as i have some RL meetings etc.. Just so you dont think i am ignoring any questions etc.)
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Posted - 2009.04.30 21:18:00 -
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BSTOCK shares will be open for reservations in 3 hours.
Remember do not send ISK to Ji Sama.
All reservations are pending audit...
Confirming that 49K shares have been transferred to SCS!
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Posted - 2009.05.01 06:42:00 -
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Confirming reservations...
Will update public ASTOCK Ledger now.
9000 ASTOCK Reserved: SOLD OUT
28750 BSTOCK Reserved: 11250 Left
Do NOT send isk to Ji Sama.
All reservations are pending audit.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 09:22:00 -
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Confirming Reservations.
Confirming that i will be contacting Bobby now regarding prep for pos take down.
Confirming that all ASTOCK and 38750 BSTOCK shares are reserved pending audit.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 01/05/2009 09:54:14
All shares are reserved, standing by for audit report.
DO NOT SEND ISK TO JI SAMA
EDIT: I am sorry Roger but there are no more stocks up for reservation. I am putting yours on the reserve reservation list.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: HawkBlade
Not a drama bomb but I'm pulling out of doing this audit.
8 accounts to audit takes more than just a few days and I don't take to kindly to being pressured for faster turn around. Actually I think I got fired so screw it.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 15:11:00 -
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I am kinda at a loss atm. this was unforseen.
I have a plea for the investors.
Standby, let me see if this can be salvaged.
If not reservations will be cancelled.
This is my passive eve weekend. (have a weekend kid)
So will only be very little online.
Just want to say thanks to all those that helped, and all those that showed support.
I am sorry if this ones turns out to be a time waster :(
Wish all of you a nice weekend.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 15:47:00 -
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I request as OP we keep this thread clean, untill further notice please.
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Posted - 2009.05.02 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 02/05/2009 08:32:59
Thank you Caleb for taking the time to do this.
While some of the numbers im not in agreement with, the overall security check had me think.
I have revoked some rights from some RL friends, that had full access to the hangar.
Also revoked the director role rights of Scorpious Kross Alt.
Also did a full overhaul of rights and roles in the corp, to make it more up to date.
Also notifying that we have hired an accountant to work out our economic monthly reports.
Standby for the Audit on my Main Account,(EDIT=) AND on Scorpious Kross.
Please be patient.
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Posted - 2009.05.03 16:16:00 -
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Confiming that ISK goes to Caleb.. Remember to write the reason for the ISK transfer as..
Payment for TMPI XXX shares @ XXX million isk
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Posted - 2009.05.05 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
Yeh Caleb it wasn't a dig at you at all, just a concern that after all those mechanisms at the last second a middle man was chosen without history of this kind of thing.
Well, after this venture Ji Sama will either be stuck with no isk and a 20b debt or you will be known as trusted to at least 20b 
Fair point, and your right ricdic, i saw this as well.
Now i knew Caleb wouldnt take the 24B and run with them..
I knew this because of the OMFGYAMB Factor...
Also confirming that TMP Industries will be bringing the investors an announcement later today!
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Posted - 2009.05.05 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: TastyTreat
Confirming that I received 1000 shares.
Also, if anyone is looking for some additional TMP shares please contact me in game.
currently the shares arent worth anything, so i recomend against trading them.
the shares wont have a value untill after an audit is completet...
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Posted - 2009.05.05 09:46:00 -
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i dont think thats fair tbh..
SCS was announced on the first page as the broker.
besides this isnt solely a trust based investment!
atm i have 22B in frozen IPO funds.
and i have provided more than 14B in securities!
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Posted - 2009.05.05 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Ricdic
Tell me I am missing something here and you guys didn't just take a giant risk after all that crap in pages 1-6
I took 5b in collateral off Ji Sama before handing over my 3b to Caleb, so while I thought it was both odd, stupid and pointless to be involving an untrusted third party in the transaction I ignored it on the principle that I didn't give two hoots if either of them take my isk.
Of course, you do realize that in the event of a scam you'll have to split the collateral between the investors.
idd, im sure he is aware of that :D
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Posted - 2009.05.07 08:22:00 -
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TMP Industries General Announcement:
First I would like to thank the investors for showing patience and understanding.
Then I would like to apologize to the investors for my delay in bringing this announcement forward.
I assure you that I delayed this for a good reason, I and have hold back this announcement for as long as it was responsible and possible.
TMP industries will launch phase 4 this Friday, with a small adjustment.
Because of the major lack of auditors all of the sudden, it has been impossible to get another auditor for this IPO. (Before launching phase 4)
I have mailed and tried to have conversations with them all. Only 1 bothered actually rejecting my offer, the rest havenÆt just been able to manage a reply, in game at least.
Because of the lack of audit, instead of offering 95 % buyback from this Friday we offer all investors a way out with no loss involved, i.e. 100 % Buyback. (100 % buyback stops on Sunday the 10th May 2009)
After this the normal 95 % buyback is in effect.
So if you are an investor, and you think; ôI want out of this,ö just send your shares back to Caleb, and he will refund the entire amount.
Do get a hold of him before you do this please, for easy verification!
Any shares that arenÆt sold, TMP Industries will buy up. And relist on the exchange.
A performance audit will be created in the nearest future, as soon as some viable solution to this has been found.
Expect the next economical report in less than 21 days. This report should be backed up the before mentioned audit.
This is our new deadline for an audit.
To the rest of the investors that havenÆt fled this apparently sinking ship:
Thank you all for you vote of faith and confidence, I could not have gone through this without you.
First dividend is scheduled for the 7th of June.
Lastly I want to apologize to the investors that did not know that SCS would broker this deal.
Since there are at least 2 investors that didnÆt know that, the message of this havenÆt been clear enough.
Securities are in place, IPO funds are frozen until Friday, where they will be released to TMP Industries.
SCS will hold a small portion of that, in case any investor wants to use the 100 % buyback option.
As a general info; I will be away on vacation till Sunday.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
*snip*
Now lets kill this discussion. It doesn't exactly belong in this thread.
Thank you Lavista :D
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I just got home 4 hours ago. Im still unpacking and fixing practical RL stuff.
Will comment and update on TMP Industries current status.
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Posted - 2009.05.11 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Roger Kiyosaki
Edited by: Roger Kiyosaki on 11/05/2009 12:11:07
Originally by: Caleb Ayrania
Leaving 4500 SHARES left for reservations.
What about my reservation that went unfilled?
I certainly hope I get some allocated this time around...
From page 5:
Originally by: Roger Kiyosaki
Reserving 400 shares (200m)
If you are on the reserve list, just send the isk to caleb, and he will send you the shares.
There should be around 3200 shares left..
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Originally by: Caleb Ayrania
No minimum..
Noting reservation, stocks are almost all gone.
Audit is forthcoming asap. expecting the report from Brock Nelson soon(tm)
minimum shares per investor are 100... ie. 500M
also thanks to Brock and Kazzac for taking the time to do this.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 12:43:00 -
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reserved!
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 13/05/2009 14:36:48
Thank you Bobby and Kazzac.
@ Bobby... I have a place for the POS, just want this audit business to be over before giving you the go to set it up :D
EDIT: Also regarding the POS, i only took the labs down, and invested in a new control tower. So we still have a low sec pos somewhere out there..
However should it be lost, IPO funds will not be used to replace it, ie. it is not a liability to the investors...
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Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.13 16:11:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
You can find my audit report here.
This is also the half official roll out of evefas
thank you for that, will comment shortly.
Good work Kazzac.
I want to thank escpecially Caleb and SCS for making this happen.
I also wanna thank Shar, Keyser & Brock for helping me out here.
And lastly to the man of the day, once more thank you Kazzac for stepping in and getting the job done.
Expenses associated with IPO launch 1.5B ISK
First dividend payment on 8th of june.
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Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:18:00 -
[66]
Answering Kazzacs concerns in this post.
Overall my sales ie. profit has been smaller this week because of my vacation.
Also since ive used some funds to secure this IPO, these havent been availeble to me.
In regards to the time barrier, i am aware that i cant keep on scalling forever,
i am also aware that i have reached with this IPO my maximum capacity.
In regards to investment in the secondary market, i am aware of the fact that this is a liability,
and i will make sure that any losses wont effect the investors.
I will also try to minimize the dependency on secondary market.
In regards to management fees and apanache. There currently are no plans that i should recieve any payment for this.
When this whole thing closes down, i will ofcourse take a piece of the pie.
But that piece will only be taken after all investors have been bought out.
In case of a burn out or the posibility that i am hit by a bus etc.
There are more than enough assets to cover the buy back of all shares, within a reasonable timeframe... (not more than 1 week imo)
Also with the securities in place, there should really not be any problem.
Biggest risk is still me running with the ISK.
This IPO is now launched.
Buy back at 95% is active.
Next economic report scheduled for the 28th of may.
Next general report scheduled for 2nd of june.
Dividend scheduled for the 8th of june.
Lastly i want to thank all the investors for being patient and very supportive.
I wont let you down.
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Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:33:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Caleb Ayrania
42600 SHARES distributed.
Reservations pending processing 6400
Isk transfered to Ji Sama totalling 21.3 Billion
Any SHARES left will be for sale at 100% or highest bidder when reservation list is concluded.
Confirming receipt of 21.3 Billion ISK
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.14 13:06:00 -
[68]
There are no undisclosed main, Ji Sama is my main, you can only have one main character.
The CEO in question was disclosed on page 1 aswell as in Calebs and Brocks reports.
If any investors feel i have not been forthcomming with information regarding this IPO.
They are free to exhange their shares at cost. i.e. 100%
I have had nothing but support from my investors, i could not have wished for this IPO to have launched in any other way, i want to thank all who contributed with support and feedback.
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Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.15 08:45:00 -
[69]
Thank you for that report Selina.
I agree with all your conclusions, but i am confident that the SCS will prevail.
Thank you for being a part of this, and i actually think i forgot to thank you in my final statement :( (that sucks)
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.15 08:46:00 -
[70]
Originally by: EVEHel****eriousBusiness
To be honest the broker basically inserted himself into a pre-existing deal in order to pad his own reputation. That's cool but why are investors risking their money to build someone else's rep? In a perfect world Caleb should be paying money to be involved in this, rather than taking a fee.
haha, the way you put it... touche....
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Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.17 08:28:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Ji Sama on 17/05/2009 08:30:06
Well i dont see the problem Alek and Pixxie point out.
But i will try to explain the plan.
Please respect that this IPO is launched. You can always start a new thread that discuss BP's and IPO's in general.
I have a shop. This shop sells oranges, apples and bananas!
But since these things arent always in season i need more capital, so i dont have to sell apples and bananas when oranges are in season.
I also heard that kiwis and carrots are a nice market, so i also want to get into that market.
There are other players that also have shops, they have tools that makes it easier for my shop to sell oranges, so i take a small part of my capital and invest into this shop!
Its also good business to build your own oranges, and make research into how you can build these oranges so you save time and capital building these oranges.
Lastly, there are alot of other shops dealing in fruits and vegetables. Sometimes they offer a return that competes with my own return, and therefor its lucrative to invest in these shops. again a small part of all the capital!
Most if not almost all will go into buying fruits and vegetables at a very low price, and then sell at a very high price, when the market is mature for it.
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Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.17 10:46:00 -
[72]
Thank you Lavista... I just have one thing to add..
/startquote
TMP Industries will cover any losses associated with internal/external scamming, theft or assets/capital lost to investments that defaults for whatever reason that might be.
/endquote
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.18 21:43:00 -
[73]
*reserved*
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Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.20 08:26:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Ji Sama on 20/05/2009 08:27:55
Originally by: Companion Qube
Confirming receipt of 1000 TMP shares via Caleb and transfer of 500M.
@Ji: Don't Madoff me bro!
Hi Qube...
Hmm that Madoff fellow sounds like a nice guy though, he gave alot to charity :p
EDIT: That being said, there is still around 2000 reserved but unpaid shares. These will be sold to highest bidder if they arent paid asap...
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.21 08:05:00 -
[75]
There is no problem.
95% Buyback is more than fair.
There is no hidden profit in this for me.
Considering a minimum of 7% return ie, 35K per share: you just need 1 dividend payment as an investor and your at 102% ie. 2% ROI
But since i aint closing shop for atleast the first half year. And i expect this Joint Stock Venture to run for no less than a full year. There is more than an incetement for any investor.
Not counting the fact, that i have just tripled your share value.
But as stated, if you feel i havent been fourthcomming, just return your shares and you will be compensated in full...
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Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.24 10:36:00 -
[76]
all shares are currently sold out, you would have to get in contact with a shareholder.
current estimated share value is 1.35M per share...
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.02 21:16:00 -
[77]
First off..
TMP Industries is CURRENTLY offering buyback @ 95% ie. 475K per share.
Its also stated that when this whole thing is over, i and perhaps other key persons will be taking an unspecified share of TMP Industries.
But yes, if i dont take a piece of TMP Industries when it closes shop, i will effectively be out of 50B.....
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.05 15:26:00 -
[78]
dividends have been paid out a day in advance... enjoy :D
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.25 13:01:00 -
[79]
This is a general service announcement brought to you by TMPI.
Be advised: Lecherito is no longer affiliated in any way whatsoever with TMPI.
His resignation takes effect later today.
This will not have an effect on TMPI's NAV, ROI, ROA or REV.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.07.11 15:29:00 -
[80]
I have been away on holiday; i had the choice between paying out late with an announcement, or paying out on time, without an announcement.
i hope you understand the choice i took.
confirming interest payment of 7.19%
thank you for your patience.
i promise you that reports are made, and are currently being made ready for disclosure!
because of the sheer workload these reports generate, we have gone from monthly to quarterly reports..
again, thank you for you understanding and support.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.07 10:50:00 -
[81]
Dividends totalling 8.3% have been paid out today.
Enjoy!
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.08 12:56:00 -
[82]
hmm, i think i made a calculation error, enjoy the 12.04% return :)
i will calculate this against the next months dividend payment.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.08 13:22:00 -
[83]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ji Sama
i will calculate this against the next months dividend payment.
Aka. THIS WILL BE DEALT WITH.
QFT
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.08 22:18:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Ji Sama on 08/08/2009 22:18:43
I can understand that Qube :)
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:31:00 -
[85]
Nothing happened, i just need the securities for other investments.
a vote will be placed later to today asking investors for the release of the securities.
in regards to keyser; i have contacted manalapan, asking him to release you 3B sadly i have had no response.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:32:00 -
[86]
also, in the event, that manapalan doesnt the return the securities to keyser, TMPI will be forced to pay the 3B he lost out of its own pocket.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:40:00 -
[87]
the vote is now live for the next 24 hours!
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:53:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Ji Sama on 24/08/2009 13:54:07
collateral was placed as security :)
and yes, i am asking for the release of the collateral...
edit: it isnt locked down, its hold by a 3rd party ie. bad bobby
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.24 15:16:00 -
[89]
I know that it wasnt, but i feel obligated none the less, your post wasnt what made me make the choice, the choice was made along time ago, during our first conversations ingame, in regards to dbank...
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.25 15:14:00 -
[90]
The results are in.
91% voted Yes
9% voted No
0% Abstained.
(for the record, Ji Sama didnt vote with her 51% majority)
I will let this stand for another 24 hours before it takes effect!
Please sound your voice, if you think the voting is bugged.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.26 13:46:00 -
[91]
The release of the collateral takes effect today, I will contact Bad Bobby later today for the transfer of the securities!
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:31:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Ji Sama has contacted me regarding release of collateral. I am told there is a shareholder vote in progress to approve this.
The collateral I currently hold is...
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Ji Sama has transferred the following to me as collateral:
10x Drug Lab = 675m
2x Equipment Assembly Array = 108m
10x Rapid Equipment Assembly Array = 90m
2x Small Ship Assembly Array = 180m
5x Mobile Laboratory = 450m
1x Large Ship Assembly Array = 81m
1x Advanced Small Ship Assembly Array = 90m
1x Advanced Medium Ship Assembly Array = 90m
1x Advanced Large Ship Assembly Array = 90m
10x Experimental Laboratory = 1000m
1x Apocalypse Blueprint (unresearched original) = 1,012.5m
1x Caldari Control Tower = 360m
5x Advanced Mobile Laboratory = 750m
Total value at NPC price = 4976.5m
All of it is ready to be returned when I get the go-ahead. The Apoc BPO has received a few levels of ME research while it was in my care.
confirming collateral recieved. thank you bad bobby! for your assitance with this IPO.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.09.24 00:08:00 -
[93]
Ok to clarify:
When TMPI closes shop, we will buy back shares based on our NAV, that is why we currently valuate our shares on our NAV.
When that is said, i will of course be taking my cut of the pie, currently i am working with figures around 5-10% (in total) for myself and key members of TMPI.
Currently our latest undisclosed NAV Report shows a minor loss in TMPI NAV, valuating the entire corp around 74B
There are many reasons for this, reasons i cannot address yet.
Suffice to say, TMPI is still rolling, we have no intention of closing yet, currently we have paid out more than 12B in dividends.
Hope this answer your questions; lastly i just want to say; that i have no intention of taking back the assets that where injected into TMPI, they are now owned by TMPI, and will remain TMPI assets untill we close shop.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.09.24 01:05:00 -
[94]
I dont understand why you didnt get this 6 mths ago, repeating the question will not change the answer.
I am currently working with numbers around 5-10% of the total nav for my compensation when this is over.
The rest will go back to the investors, that is correct.
So if we where to use the current set up for a close shop scenario it would looke something like this.
74B NAV
7.4B Salaries
66.6B Investor Pay Out
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.09.24 01:20:00 -
[95]
i dont understand what it is you dont get, and of course i will refer you to an old post, because i stand by what was said.
was it smart? that can always be discussed.
i did what i did. period.
to answer your question: YES
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.09.24 01:50:00 -
[96]
If your unhappy with the way i am managing this IPO you are welcome to use your right as an investor and get your shares bought back at 95% of initial stock price :)
As it stands with more than 12 billion ISK paid back to investors in the form of dividend, all investors would get what i call a decent return here in the unsecured part of the IPO market, should they chose to part with their stock ahead of time.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.08 23:37:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Ji Sama on 08/10/2009 23:41:05
Dividends have been paid. an estimate of 2475000000,00 ISK ie. 10.1% of 24.5B
A vote have been send out to investors regarding TMPI NAV.
In the case of a reset, any investor that have bought shares at the inflated price, will be compensated in full.
Unfortunatly, i can only compensate people who have bought shares through MD, where i can confirm the transfer!
I am sorry for the inconvenience
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.09 00:11:00 -
[98]
emphazise on BOUGHT
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.09 01:28:00 -
[99]
Really can't explain it better:
If you have BOUGHT shares BEFORE this vote was initiated, you are entitled to a refund, IF you can verify the stock purchase with a forum post, that is dated before this announcement AND at the inflated NAV price.
Won't eleborate on this any further.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.09 22:13:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Brock Nelson
Hey Ji, would you be willing to tell those of us who don't have shares what the vote question is and what options there is?
The vote will run for seven days.
Subject: Regarding the NAV of TMPI
Option 1: Reset the NAV to 24.5B ISK
Option 2: Keep the current NAV of 74B ISK
Option 3: Abstain
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.09 22:34:00 -
[101]
I have never used my majority vote to this date, and i dont plan on doing it now.
You answered your other questions all by yourself.
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